Home › Forums › Feeding Issues › Total Elimination Diet (TED) Basics › Reidun’s Story and Gathered Information
- This topic has 73 replies, 15 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 7 months ago by Anonymous.
-
AuthorPosts
-
April 4, 2007 at 8:29 am #29473AnonymousInactive
I liked your link to the table of related foods. We had been told the same thing. It’s not unusual to have problems with related foods. The table amused me though because it just goes to show how everybody is so unique. Kaelyn has major problems with apples, which are on the same chart as pears. Pears are a HUGE part of her diet. Same thing for corn and rice. She eats tons of them, yet they are on the same chart as wheat – a major problem for her. So… I guess that’s why it’s always such a guessing game!
Natalia, Kaelyn always had huge dark circles under her eyes as well.
April 6, 2007 at 12:27 am #29692AnonymousInactiveVITAMINS!!What one mother used for vitamins (see complete article above):”I started her on cod liver oil (an organic source), which is rich in vitamins A and D; rice bran syrup full of the vitamin Bs, iron, and other essential nutrients; wheat germ oil, rich in vitamin E; a liquid mineral supplement, and a whole food vitamin C tablet, which I crushed. By mixing my breast milk with tiny amounts of all of these nutrients, (as well as acidophilus-healthy bacteria that fight off bad bacteria in the body) she was able to fully recover within two to four weeks.”Thread discussing “the best quality” vitamins for parents and childrenInfant Care Multivitamin Drops from Twinlab claims “The highest quality and most natural multi vitamin supplement available for infants. It contains 100% natural vitamins A & D derived from the highest quality fish oils. It also contains 100% natural vitamin E derived from natural vegetable oils, balanced B-complex and vitamin C.””No artificial colors or flavors, sugars or sweeteners, fructose, honey, sorbitol, alcohol or preservatives.”http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/allergy.shtml DIETARY SOURCES OF CALCIUM Dairy products are the highest sources of calcium. Other sources of calcium must be sought when dairy products are eliminated from one’s diet. Calcium exists naturally in:kale, frozen : 180 mg / cup
kale, raw : 94 mg / cup
broccoli , frozen : 94 mg / cup
broccoli , raw : 72 mg / cup
spinach , raw : 56 mg / cupHeidi T.2007-4-6 0:55:27
April 6, 2007 at 4:28 pm #29781AnonymousInactiveI’ve been looking for a hypoallergenic baby sunscreen that is unscented for Reidun, this is the most promising one I’ve found:
California Baby Sunscreen SPF 30+ – Unscented, 0.5 oz $10.99
Item # 89414Ingredients: Micronized Titanium Dioxide, Purified Water, Coconut Fatty Acid: alkylbenzoate(moisturizer), Silicone Cyclomeythicone(water repellant), Vegetable Glycerin, Dipolydroxystearate(works to emulsify), Candelilia Wax (protects against water loss), Vitamin E (anti-oxidant), Coconut Oil, Squalene(from olive oil), Japanese Green Tea (anti-oxidant), Epsom Salt(magnesium sulfate), Vitamin B Complex Factor: Panthenol,Allantoin, Magnesium Stearate, Ethyl and Propylparaben (food grade preservative-anti-bacterial).
available at: http://www.mothernature.com/shop/detail.cfm/sku/89414/S/1201 04
April 6, 2007 at 4:54 pm #29782hellbenntKeymasterwe used that w/ jonah & here’s a site to research products- california Baby is rated to be very safe:
here’s a list of all the sunscreens they have in their data base: http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep2/search.php?nperpage=10& amp;stype=brands&category=Sunscreen%2FTanning+Oil&so rt=&showall=1
and here’s the ‘main’ page
http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep/
Some of the “natural” products get as poor or poorer ratings to mainstream ones…interesting!
hellbennt2007-4-6 17:2:57
April 6, 2007 at 5:14 pm #29783AnonymousInactiveThanks Laura, I’ll take a look at that link. I just was reading through another link, listed below, that discusses safe sunblocks. Some recommended ones: SolBarPF, Baby Banana Boat Baby Magic, REI bonding base, Lavera, Trader Joes SPF 30 Sensitive Sunscreen. Some mentioned that California Baby caused some rashiness…But perhaps it is still the best to start off with? It is great to have choices, I’ll be doing more research
http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/safety/sunblock.html#smal l
Heidi T.2007-4-6 18:18:57
April 11, 2007 at 5:38 pm #30121AnonymousInactiveThanks so much for all that Info. How long did it take you?
I Think ella is getting hungry for solids. She is feeding 4 x 200ml bottles of neocate a day but now wants 5. I am going to contact my pead because he said we would have to work with a dietician to introduce solids. I think he was hoping to only do it at 6mnths. What is best for this type of problem. She is protein intolerant. Should I keep her on neaocate till 6mnths or introduce solids
Thanks
April 11, 2007 at 7:21 pm #30141AnonymousInactiveI would wait 6 months before introducing solids. Also, I recommend not starting off with the grains (rice, barley, oatmeal). I’d try pear or sweet potato first. Best of luck!
April 13, 2007 at 1:32 pm #30398AnonymousInactiveNice table comparing the nutrients in human milk, cow milk, goat milk and formula… http://www.saanendoah.com/compare.html
FEEDING THE TERM INFANT from http://ta-ze.com/infant.aspx Growth, particularly in weight, length and additional anthropometrical measurements, remains a measure of adequacy of nutritional regimes for the growing infant and child. Infant feeding decisions have an impact on lifelong medical illnesses, growth, and developmental abilities well beyond infancy. Energy: The energy intake of normal infants per unit body weight is much greater than adult counterparts. Energy requirements for term infants vary from 100 – 116 kcal / kg / day from 0-3 months and decline to about 100 kcal / kg / day by the end of the first year. The energy requirements are provided from carbohydrate, protein and fat in human milk or diet. Energy values for protein, fat, and carbohydrate are 4, 9, and 4 kcal / gram, respectively. Protein: Protein is clearly essential for normal growth and development. Recommended dietary intakes of protein are summarized in below table. Age interval
( month )Recommended Dietary Intake
( g / kg / day )0 to 1
1 to 2
2 to 3
3 to 4
4 to 5
5 to 6
6 to 9
9 to 122.6
2.2
1.8
1.5
1.4
1.4
1.4
1.3Carbohydrate: Carbohydrates generally account for 35 – 42 % of the energy intake of breast- or formulated infants. The major carbohydrate in human milk is lactose. The energy provided by fat and carbohydrate spares protein for tissue synthesis. Fats: Also, daily needs for fat amount approximately a third of the infant’s total energy need.
Human milk contains approximately 4 % fats. For the healthy full term infant, major consideration of fat in the infant diet include the adequacy of essential fatty acids to prevent essential fatty acid deficiency. Linoleic acid is the essential fatty acid for humans. The absence of linoleic acid in the diet results in growth retardation and dermatological manifestations. Intakes of linoleic acid, as low as 0.6 % of daily energy intake , can obviate essential fatty acid deficiency and current recommendations specify the minimum level of 0.3 g / 100 kcal in infant formulas.Olive Oil during infancy: Organic extra virgin olive oil, obtained from olives grown with natural fertilization without the help of chemical treatments, is suitable for children and adults. Organic extra virgin olive oil is rich in important nutritional elements and favors absorption of nutrients soluble in fat such as vitamins A, D, E and K. Unsaturated and saturated fats ratio of organic extra virgin olive oil is similar to human breast milk. Linoleic acid content of 100 ml human milk (approximately 0.3155 g linoleic acid/ 100 ml human milk) is equal to linoleic acid content of 5 ml (1/3 tablespoon) organic extra virgin olive oil. Therefore it can be considered a proper food to supply essential fatty acid need of infants’ from their 5th month of life. Using 1/3 tablespoon of organic extra virgin olive oil in meals and helps the prevention of essential fatty acid ( linoleic acid ) deficiency and helps the promotion of growth and neurological development. Heidi T.2007-4-13 13:42:1
April 13, 2007 at 8:22 pm #30458AnonymousInactiveI am sooo happy! I have finally got Reidun on a rotation diet, and it is working great!! She is even tolerating prunes and apricots (foods I was concerned about giving her, due to their relation to almonds, which she is intolerant of)! It feels wonderful be able to feed her a wider variety of things. Knowing that because we are using a rotation diet, Reidun has less of a chance of becoming sensitized to foods brings me great joy.
This is her diet:
Day 1
Breakfast: 1-2T Pear, Sweet Potato to fill (~3-6T)
Lunch: 1-2T Beets, Sweet Potato to fill (~3-6T)
Snack/Finger Food: ¼-½ Small *Avocado (if chicken high in fat use cut-up pear instead)
Dinner: 1T Chicken, 1T Apple, *Broccoli to fill (~3-6T) (once old enough use spinach instead)
*I substituted broccoli, spinach for carrots since Reidun is intolerant of them. I had problems finding free range, dark chicken meat with skins (fat) on it, so I added Avocado for needed fat. This isn’t in following the rotation diet, as Avocado is also being used on day 3. As soon as I find fatty chicken (not chicken breasts as we are using now) I’ll use it instead.
Day 2
Breakfast: 1T Pineapple, 1-2T Brussel Sprouts, Broccoli to fill (~3-6T)
Lunch: 1T Pineapple, 1-2T Cabbage, Broccoli to fill (~3-6T)
Snack/Finger Food: Cut-up Steamed Broccoli
Dinner: 1T Veal, 1T Pineapple, 1-2T Cauliflower, Broccoli to fill (~3-6T)
Day 3
Breakfast: 1T Asparagus, 1T Blueberry/Cranberry, Winter Squash to fill (~3-6T)
Lunch: 1T Asparagus, 1T Blueberry/Cranberry, Winter Squash to fill (~3-6T)
Snack/Finger Food: ¼-½ Small Avocado
Dinner: 1T Turkey, 1T Asparagus, 1T Blueberry/Cranberry, Winter Squash to fill (~3-6T)
Day 4
Breakfast:1T Raisin or Grape, 1T Potato, Green Bean to fill (~3-6T)
Lunch:1T Apricot or Peach, 1T Potato, Green Bean to fill (~3-6T)
Snack/Finger Food: Cut-up Banana
Dinner: 1T Lamb, 1T Prune, 1T Potato, Green Bean to fill (~3-6T)
___________________________
Food preparation tips:
I buy the baby foods that I can: Apple, Pear, Sweet Potato, Winter Squash and Green Beans. Her snack/finger foods I prepare daily. I make the rest and store the food in ice cube trays in the freezer. Each cube is 1T, so it is easy to measure out and prepare her meals. I usually store her ice cube trays in bags, marked with what it is, and it’s day. I try to keep all the days together in a bigger bag. The night before, I usually prepare her meals, dumping the quantities called for into glass baby jars. I keep these in the refrigerator until meal time. I heat her meals in her bottle warmer.
I am grinding all her foods except her snack/finger foods at the moment. I am not sure when I am going to stop grinding them, I plan on just introducing more and more solid foods as we go along.
___________________________
This is roughly Reidun’s current 9 month schedule:
7am Wake up
9am Breakfast & Breast Milk
10am Nap
12pm Breast Milk
1pm Outside time
2pm Lunch & Breast Milk
3pm Nap
5pm Snack/Finger Food (while we eat dinner she feeds herself)
6pm Family Walk
7pm Dinner
8pm Breast Milk
8-9pm Go to sleep
Reidun usually has breast milk 2 to 3 times in the night. The first time is between 12 and 2am, the second is around 5am. If we could get rid of this, that would be great!! I think her waking is due to thirst. I try to give her breast milk after lunch, but she will not take it until she is ready to go to sleep at night. I estimate she is only drinking 6oz of milk during the day, and around 10oz at night.
__________________________
Does anyone have any suggestions for change? I am not a nutritionist, and I did not have a nutritionist design this diet for Reidun. If any of you plan on using a diet like this one, and have a nutritionist available I would ask them if this a well balanced diet. Any input would be appreciated.
I am really looking forward to introducing more foods when Reidun is a year. I hope she will be able to tolerate grains!!! I am also looking forward to introducing healthy fats like cod liver oil and flax seed oil. Just a couple more months and we will be able to try it out!!
Heidi T.2007-4-15 15:12:1
April 13, 2007 at 9:03 pm #30464AnonymousInactiveWow! I am totally impressed Heidi. You really seem to have gotten this all together. I would LOVE to be able to do this with Ben. Maybe some day I’ll be able to work that out. I’m so glad that it’s working well for you too.
April 14, 2007 at 3:07 am #30477AnonymousInactiveHello again ! Here are some calculations I’ve done for Reidun’s diet. Hopefully some of you will be able to apply this information to your own little ones. I’m not very sure about my math (never my strongest subject) and I’m not sure if I got the information for my calculations from the most accurate sources. If any of you have access to a dietician, and plan on using any of this info, please double check it with them. Please let me know if you spot anything that needs correcting!
What stresses me the most after doing these calculations (if they were done correctly), if she is receiving the amount of breast milk she is supposed to be getting (impossible to measure when she is getting directly from the breast, but I think she is getting less than the recommended amount), I am giving her above the recommended amount of meat/protein. I have been giving her almost 4T of meat a day. I am going to lower this to 1T immediately, closer to the recommended amount.
According to this article http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/106/5 /S2/1293 “There are no data indicating that a protein intake 3 to 4 times above the requirements has any adverse effects, but only a few studies have focused on the small group of infants receiving a higher protein intake, more than 5 times the requirements. Such intakes might impair water homeostasis during illness and it can not be excluded that they have adverse effects immediately or later in life.” “The protein requirements for infants and young children are higher than for older children and adults when expressed per kilo body weight, mainly attributable to the larger requirements for growth. Revised estimates for a safe intake are 1.09 g/kg for 6 to 9 months of age and 1.02 g/kg for 9 to 12 months”
The reason I started using 4T of meat is because of the Infant Meal Pattern Chart (IMPC), found on pg 3 of this thread, recommended 1 to 4 T of meat at lunch and dinner. According to the above article, the 4T of meat I was giving her (4X the recommended amount) states there is no data indicating this amount will produce adverse effects, but if I were to go up to 8T as the IMPC states I could, this could be dangerous
http://ta-ze.com/infant.aspx According to this article, Reidun should be getting 1.4 grams of protein per kg a day (I trust the above recommendations more)
http://www.unu.edu/Unupress/food2/UID01E/uid01e0d.htm According to the authors of this article, Reidun should be between 7.97 and 9.05kg
How many calories should she be getting a day?According to http://ta-ze.com/infant.aspx, she should be getting around 100 to 116 kcal/kg/day. So 797-1050 calories a day, for weights between 7.97 and 9.05kg.
How many calories are in an oz of milk? 20 kcal/oz
How many grams of protein should she be getting a day? Reidun is 9 months, ~8kg, her weight should be between 7.97 and 9.05kg, so she should be getting somewhere between 8.13-9.23 grams of protein a day. (according to the second article 11.16-12.67)
How much milk should she get a day? According to her pediatrician, she should be drinking 24 oz a day. This is 480 kcal/day.
How many grams of protein a day is she getting from breast milk? 1.1% of human milk is protein. There is 1.6g of protein in 100g of milk. I think 1oz of breast milk equals 28 grams. In 1oz of breast milk, there should be 0.36grams of protein. So, if she is drinking 24oz of milk, she should be getting 7.4-10.75g
How many grams of protein is in 1T of meat? 1oz of meat equals 7g of protein. I think 1T of meat = 1oz of meat, so 7g of protein is in 1T of meat
How many T of meat should she be getting a day? If she is to get 8.13-9.23 grams of protein a day, and she gets 7.4-10.75g grams of protein from 24 oz of milk. She should get -2.6-0.7g of protein or <1T!!!!!!
How much fat should she get a day? Daily needs for fat amount approximately a third of the infant’s total energy need. She should be getting 797-1050 kcal/day, a third of that is 266-350 kcal/day. There are 9 calories in one gram of fat. So 30-39g/day.
How much fat does she get from my breast milk a day? 4.5% of human milk is fat. The average fat content of human milk is 1.2 grams/oz. If she drinks 24 oz of milk, she should get 28.8 grams of fat.
How much additional fat should she be getting a day? 1.2-10.2 grams, I think there is 12g of fat in 1T, and 4g in 1t, so aim for 1/3-2 ½ t of extra fat a day.
Heidi T.2007-4-15 12:58:53
April 14, 2007 at 3:22 pm #30503AnonymousInactiveI was curious,
(1) How many T of meat a day should she have, if she didn’t have milk (don’t worry not planning on stopping milk), and meat was her only source of protein? If she is to get 8.13-9.23g/protein/day and 1T=7g/protein, the answer would be 1.16-1.32T,
(2) How many T or t of fat a day should she get a day? If she is to get 30-39g/fat/day and 4g=1t, and 12g=1T, she should get 7.5-9.75t/fat/day or 2.5-3.25T/fat/day
Heidi T.2007-4-15 12:34:20
April 14, 2007 at 4:17 pm #30507AnonymousInactiveHeidi: Congratulations on taking this MFPI and making it work for you and Reidun! Carson is still MSPI. He is 20 months. When he sleeps well I have a much better outlook on life! I am wondering if you have been told or know of any information as to when the MFPI will dissapate? Carson was skin prick tested and I will do so again near his 2nd birthday and will post those results to show what a year’s difference made in the testing. I just wish there was a MAGIC date when all of this would go away. We were told a year, then 18 months then 2. Now our spec says that with severe MSPI/MFPI it could be closer to 3 but I read on the internet that most children with MSPI/MFPI outgrow it by 10. If this lasts until he is 10 I may not make it! What info were you given? Just curious. If you haven’t asked/been down that road yet please don’t dig up info for me – I do have some in my favorites that I could post – don’t want to take you away from Reidun! Just curious what you were told. Thanks! TnBEich2007-4-14 16:18:18
April 14, 2007 at 4:31 pm #30510AnonymousInactiveGood news, it has been less than 2 weeks since our 9 month check up with the MD–since that time she has gained 8 oz, more weight than she gained in the total three months prior. Now she is in the 25th percentile for weight instead of the 15th. It’s great to see the improvements she is making with this new diet!!
And my DH looked over my math, he thinks everything looks good, I’d trust his math over mine any day.
P.S. I think I am going crazy with all these posts! I’m trying to hold back, but I can’t, I’m addicted!!
Heidi T.2007-4-14 22:9:14
April 14, 2007 at 5:58 pm #30522AnonymousInactiveBrenda: Thanks for the post. I too have been researching when these kiddos usually outgrow their intolerances. Unfortunately, like you, I have not been able to find that magic date. I’ve read anywhere from 6 months to 10 years or more. Some never outgrow their intolerances. I think it would be wonderful of you to post the information you have found. It would be awesome to find data on how many children have protein intolerance, and what percentage outgrow it and when (but I don’t think enough data has been collected on this subject yet).For me, boards like this have been a real sanity saver. I didn’t find this board until Reidun was around 7 months old. I thought her condition was too rare to have enough people together talking about it. I felt so alone and frustrated. I still have not found anyone in Oregon or Washington with protein intolerance, I know they are out there! It is sad to think about lost mothers out there (like we all were once) looking for support, like the excellent support from parents on this board, and not being able to find it!I think I am emotionally prepared if Reidun doesn’t outgrow her intolerances. But I REALLY hope she outgrows them soon! I have always been one of those “prepared for the worst, but hope for the best” sort of people. The diet isn’t that bad, now that I am use to it. The convenience factor is a real drag, but it has forced our family to eat less processed, healthier foods. I still really miss lattes though, I dream of having one daily! I tell myself, once I’m done with this diet, I can have a latte every day, for the rest of my life. I use to feel guilty with the amount of money I was spending on lattes, but now I feel like I have done enough penance to drink enough lattes for a life time without guilt! -
AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.