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March 28, 2006 at 3:22 pm #4833AnonymousInactive
We finally had our Gi appointment today and I have mixed feelings. Thankfully he was a nice guy, though the clinic itself left some to be desired. (After waiting over an hour to even see the nurse, when I commented to the nurse about it, she said “I wouldn’t complain, you better get used to waiting 2-3 hrs when you come.”)
The doc told us that it seems like Hailey has really has reflux and feeding issues from the getgo that just spiraled out of control, and have created a viscious cycle. He said that he’s not sure at this point how much of the feeding problems or behavioural problems are due to reflux and how much are learned behaviours. He suggested an infant psychologist to show some practical points how to help Hailey eat (great!!???). He also said that she really shouldn’t be in pain anymore, though it’s possible, and her Sandifer’s might even be a learned behaviour every time she refluxes even though it’s not hurting her. I’m not too sure about that one.
The good news is that he does want to scope. The bad news is that our appointment is not for another 3 months (I can’t stand this anymore). After that he’ll see us again and we’ll discuss options. If the scope is negative then we’ll discuss doing a probe. He won’t do one now, b/c he doesn’t see how it’s going to change the course of her treatment at all other than to grade the acidity/severity of the reflux. Even then he wants to do a probe ON the prevacid to see if it’s giving her relief. I don’t quite know what to say anymore. If the tests are negative, then he’ll book us to see a feeding psycholgist… so by my calculations she should have all the testing done and someone might actually help us by the time she’s 18 months or so. He also said that if she had a hiatal hernia (which was a concern of mine) then it would have shown up on the upper gi she had done at 8 weeks. He also said that if she’s MSPI he doesn’t even really know what we’d do about it because there’s no way that a kid with a feeding aversion as bad as Hailey’s will drink and elemental formula.
The only upside is that I told the doctor that “she’s been on 30 mg of prevacid for the past 2 weeks without improvement”. This is true, but I upped it to that dose myself, but I didn’t tell him that so he gave us a script for the 30mg dose. Otherwise he wouldn’t have upped her dose.
He also sent us for another metabolic workup and a blood series which we had done today. Poor Hailey was so dehydrated after not having eaten anything for 12 hours that it took 10 minutes to find a vein in her hand, and then literally 15 minutes to extract the blood while they continuously pumped her arm and squeezed the site to get it out drop by drop. When I told them that i’d rather come back after I fed her because I thought that it was cruel what they were doing to my child, they asked me if I wanted to leave the room. There’s no way I was leaving her there.
He also said that he doesn’t think that Hailey’s going to magically outgrow her reflux. He said that she’ll probably have it until she’s around 2 years old or so- assuming it’s not from MSPI or something else- and that the feeding problems, even when they get corrected which will not be for over a year- will always persist throughout her childhood. He said that he doesn’t think that the feeding problems are due to the reflux anymore, even though they may have started that way- that they’re now a learned problem and the best we’ll likely ever have is an extremely fussy eater on our hands. Great….
Well he was super nice, I couldn’t have asked for more in that regard, but I’m just so discouraged by having to wait so long to get things done- 3 months to get the appointment, 3 months for the test, another few months I’m sure to see him again to discuss the test, another few months to schedule the probe… etc etc. It just seems like everyone else gets their answers so much more quickly. I don’t know what else I can do anymore.
Sorry for the ramble. Thanks if you made it this far.
March 28, 2006 at 3:36 pm #4836AnonymousInactiveOh Lori – I’m sorry you didn’t get more answers but am at least glad
that he was nice and that you got the higher dose of Prevacid. Have you
been able to get her to take the meds regularly now with the Caracream?Perhaps you can at least make the appointment now for the follow-up visit after the scope?
When do you get the results of today’s metabolic workup and blood series?
Big hugs – let us know how it’s going.
March 28, 2006 at 8:32 pm #4858AnonymousInactiveHi Lori,
I’m so sorry the doctor wasn’t more encouraging. Good news about the Prevacid, though. Maybe it will kick in and start making her feel better soon.
I feel really bad for you and Hailey because I’m sure if you were here in the US, things would move much more quickly. dh and I lived in Canada for a year, and we just loved it. It’s a beautiful country with wonderful, friendly people. We didn’t have much experience with the health care system while we were there, but we heard lots of complaints about the long waits. Makes me feel guilty for the things I compain about.
I just hope he’s wrong about some of the things he said…that she’ll probably have reflux till she’s 2 (didn’t he also say he didn’t think she should be in pain now?), that her feeding aversions will persist throughout childhood (he can’t really say that for sure). He may be right about the vicious cycle but, vicious cycles can be broken.
Maybe yoy can find some really good books on child psychology and feeding aversions and start finding out for yourself some of the things the feeding psychologist will teach you if and when you ever get to one. There’s probably information on line somewhere, too. If he’s right about the vicious cycle, you can definitely do something about it. You just may have to do some of it yourself since the waiting time is such an issue. Hailey is still very young, not even one. I’d hate to see you settle in on the idea that this is the way it’s always going to be. I wish he had been a little more encouraging.
I really hope the light at the end of the tunnel is in the near future for you and Hailey.
March 28, 2006 at 9:19 pm #4863AnonymousInactiveThank you for the support. I really don’t know how I always manage to type such a LONG post when I intend to keep it short!
I too am very happy about the prevacid. It was getting tricky to keep her on the upped dose when the prescriptions were for the lower dose… we were just running out too quickly. Now when we see our “feeding doc”- who is the one who mentioned that she shouldn’t be in pain anymore- I will tell him that the GI upped the dose, and he’ll start giving up scripts for 30 mg. Hopefully it will kick in for Hailey- I’m hanging on to that hope (prayer). Friday will be day 14!
Christine, I was just speaking to my husband tonight, and we are going to assume that she will outgrow the reflux, and that the feeding issues will need to be worked out slowly over time. I’m not going to sentence her to another year of this torture, and a whole childhood of problems. We’ll just move forward from here doing the best that we can. I don’t think that any doc really has a crystal ball forsee her future.
Hopefully we will get her bloodwork back in two weeks (but it’s don’t call us, we’ll call you if something comes up) so really who knows.
Christine, I have been looking up some information on feeding psychology for some time now, and I have found info, but I can’t really apply anything b/c I can’t be objective. The problem is that it’s basically a blame the mother approach, and I don’t buy into that. As for the viscious cycle, it’s not going to be broken until Hailey’s reflux is under control, she’s comfortable, and absolutely pain free. So until we get some answers from testing, those things are going to remain a big question mark.
Thank you again for everything.
March 28, 2006 at 10:20 pm #4864AnonymousInactiveLori, you’re right about the crystal ball..that’s what bothered me about what the doc told you. He really doesn’t know. I’m glad you are trying to be optimistic. I know you are a very kind person because I see how you always answer the posts of newbies (including mine) and offer advice and encouragement. I just hope all of this turns around for you soon. You really deserve a break. And so does Hailey.
March 28, 2006 at 10:46 pm #4866AnonymousInactiveLori
Glad you are getting somewhere, even if it is going to take some time. Our public health system sounds very similar to yours. We have a 6 month wait for the allergy clinic because it is in a public hospital which doesnt charge for services. We are lucky though that we have the option of seeing a private practitioner and the government will still meet 75% of the costs.
Now that you are on the waiting list for the probe, is there any way of getting bumped up on that list? Can you put your name down for cancellations?
I believe that even after the pain is gone the behaviour can still be there. I also believe that over time once the pain is gone that things can slowly improve. It took a long time for Tyler to be comfortable with the bottle, but he did overcome it. That being said, he will never drink a bottle like a normal baby, he will always have issues with it that I dont think we will ever overcome but things will never be as bad as they once were. I hope that soon Hailey can begin to build her trust again and start eating.
Hope the increased does makes some difference for Hailey, we will have our fingers crossed for you.
March 28, 2006 at 11:49 pm #4870AnonymousInactivesylvia had 2 ugi’s and an endo and her hiatal hernia did not show—–but that is probably not the norm.
March 29, 2006 at 7:26 am #4872AnonymousInactiveThank you all for your encouragement. Christine, I was thinking of Sylvia when I asked him the question about the hernia. The thing is that there are lots of things that can be wrong that are not common or the norm- but they happen to some children. So it bothers me when they tell me that “no, that’s not likely it because it’s VERY uncommon”. Well to me, uncommon means that it still happens.
March 29, 2006 at 9:24 am #4875AnonymousInactiveMy brother has a hiatal hernia that didn’t show up on his first upper GI. I also have a hiatal hernia. I refluxed several times over the course of my upper GI, but the hernia was only obvious a few of those times. So, it seems to me that there is actually a good chance that a hiatal hernia wouldn’t necessarily show up on an upper GI.
On the flip side of that, we were told that hiatal hernias are very rare in children. Apparently, they tend to develop as you age. Perhaps that is another reason why your GI was so quick to dismiss your concerns.
I agree with everyone else about the “crystal ball” factor. There is no way that he knows for sure whether or not Hailey will grow out of her reflux.
March 29, 2006 at 10:54 am #4895AnonymousInactiveWell I am glad that they are going to do an endoscopy but sad that it takes so long to have it done! I hope that this appointment was really encouraging to you.
March 31, 2006 at 7:16 am #4998AnonymousInactiveLori: I just saw your post today, I am glad that you got the scrip for 30mg prevacid, please keep up undated on Hailey’s condition.
I was told the similar things during Brian’s 9 month check up, his ped said Brian may not out grow reflux until 2 year old due to his low muscle tone, and he will always be a picky eater. It was really upsetting to hear that, but if that is true, there is nothing I can do. I try not to think about it, and just take one feeding and one day at a time. Hailey’s case is different, she does not has low muscle tone issue, so I think she will out grow reflux before two.
Another thing is testing did not make any different in our case.
Sharon Liu2006-3-31 7:16:45
March 31, 2006 at 8:00 am #5000AnonymousInactiveSharon,
Funny because we just had her assessed by a physio who told me that she does have low muscle tone (though I really don’t think she does) and that she has weakness in certain muscle groups because of needing to be held for so long.
March 31, 2006 at 5:02 pm #5074AnonymousInactiveLori: What is physio? Are they MDs? They can not diagnose Hailey has low muscle tone just base on that she need to be held for a long time.
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