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April 4, 2006 at 9:45 am #5349AnonymousInactive
I am just so sick and tired of dealing with this feeding cr** that I could scream. Hailey is over 10 months old and I swear that a large majority of this time has been sheer torture. I honestly can’t take the sleep feeding anymore. She doesn’t want to eat, and it’s taking forever to get her to sleep. I honestly don’t know what we’re going to do anymore. She has now dropped her morning bottle and is down to about 12-15 ounces a day without any solids. But no one is concerned about this. I just hate this existence and don’t know how to move forward. If someone would have told me that this is where we would have been at 10 months, I think I would have committed myself to a psych ward.
Sorry for the rant, here’s the question. For those of you who know Hailey’s story, did anyone’s refluxer have it this bad and turn around without requiring surgery or a feeding tube? I’m just wondering if there’s any hope for us at this point, or if I just give up and accept defeat.
April 4, 2006 at 12:05 pm #5364AnonymousInactiveIs Hailey taking in any other fluids like juice or water? Have you told her Ped or GI that her intake has dropped? I would think that at the very least, they would be concerened about dehydration. How is her weight since she’s been taking in less calories? It almost seems impossible to get a docs attention if a baby is growing fine. No one seems to bat an eye unless there is a drop in weight.
I know its hard and I’ve also wanted to just give up. The stubborness in me has kept me going. I’m sure there are lots of babies out there who have done a complete turn around. And I bet that Hailey will come around and outgrow this someday.
April 4, 2006 at 12:31 pm #5368AnonymousInactiveLori – I am so sorry that you are still going through these, we are going through the same thing here too, I really wanted to go to work with DH today, because I just hate feeding time, but we have no choice but just hang in there.
April 4, 2006 at 2:06 pm #5384AnonymousInactiveLori,
Have you tried the massage? I wish I could draw a diagram for you. Basically, you take the belly button as a center and massage from left (side of the belly) to right (side of the belly) across the belly button and then from top (the point between the 2 lowest ribs) to down (where the bladder is) for 49 times. Last, massage clockwise around the belly button for anohter 49 times. Do this message PRIOR TO feeding. It seems working on Johnny. He started showing sign of hunger the second day after I practiced this massage on him. His feeding is much better now although he still takes no bottle while awake (yes, spoon and open cup is the way).
We are getting ready for the trip to DC this weekend. I really hope the doctors there will be able to help us to put his reflux under control and his feeding on the right track.
April 4, 2006 at 2:16 pm #5386AnonymousInactiveMy Hailey wasn’t a sleep feeder but instead a distraction feeder (needed to be fed while walking and/or in front of Baby Einstein) and she got considerable better at age 12 months when all of a sudden she started “liking” her bottles. It truly happened overnight.
April 4, 2006 at 3:48 pm #5395AnonymousInactiveThanks. I’m just going crazy this week. Thinking that if I put her into day care maybe her eating problems will resolve. My dh says that we just can’t take that chance but how can we go on like this. So far there hasn’t been a drop in weight, but I am petrified that this is going to happen any day now (how can it not?), and no, they’re not concerned about dehydration. I honestly hate this life these days and am just looking for ways to change things. I don’t see any end in sight, that’s why i was thinking about day care. Thanks for the massage tips, Yu-hua. I think I got it this time so I’ll give it a try. Good luck at the appointment. Keep us posted.
April 4, 2006 at 4:07 pm #5398AnonymousInactiveLori, maybe your day care idea isn’t so crazy. Maybe if she saw other babies eating she’d try to join in. Maybe the change of pace and scenery would have a positive effect.
Could you try part time just to see how it would work?
When I was a nanny parents told me all the time that their babies would do things for me that they wouldn’t do for them. It’s not that I was anything special….I’ve heard this from lots of people (nannies, grandparents, etc.). Did you ever hear of Dr. T. Berry Brazleton? He says that the reason a small child’s behavior is often better with caregivers other than their parents is that the child obviously has a much stronger attachement to their parents, especially to their mommies., and therefore they have more to gain when they misbehave or manipulate. I know this sounds bad, and I shouldn’t make assumptions, but if you think some of her eating aversion is behavioral, then maybe a change of pace and some help from other caregivers might be a positive thing for both of you right now.
April 4, 2006 at 5:14 pm #5400AnonymousInactiveChristine, the only thing I’m worried about is all the illness making the actual reflux worse. Her reflux is still quite bad even when she’s on meds and I worry about making the reflux worse itself. Regarding the rest of her behaviour, I think that it could only help. I’m at the end of my rope with her right now.
April 5, 2006 at 1:14 am #5413AnonymousInactiveLori – have you thought about trying to stop the sleep feeding for a few days to see what would happen? I know you are worried about weight loss and dehydration, but I think you’ll find that she won’t get into too much trouble in 2 or 3 days…although it doesn’t always seem like it to us moms, no healthy baby is a single feeding away from malnutrition or starvation. Try just offering lots of liquids in cups to keep up fluids, and see what happens…My oldest NEVER took more than 18 oz a day in his life – and usually it was more like 14-16.
April 5, 2006 at 8:32 am #5417AnonymousInactiveThanks Tricia. I’m just really too scared to do it, but we’ve been thining about it.
April 5, 2006 at 9:54 am #5422AnonymousInactiveLori
DonĀ“t have much in the way of advice. Just wanted to let you know that it will be OK to try to feed her awake for a few days. Matthew has been off the feeding tube since Saturday night — he took it off in the middle of the night and i just decided to let him be for a week. The ped agreed that we should just do it for some days, so that he does not become lazy either. He has eaten very little and drank very little and we have just come back from the ped who said he looks amazing for his age and no sign whatsoever of dehydration (He has not drank more than 10ounces a day and his eyes are watery, he has `plenty of wet diapers etc. I think they are much stronger than we really think.
You may want to give it a try? It is scary but she may really react!
April 5, 2006 at 10:35 am #5426AnonymousInactivelori: we had to sleep feed hannah for as long as she took a bottle. by 13 months we were down to two bottles a day (one before a nap and YES! one in the middle of the night, that made us really suspect in lots of people’s eyes, including our ped). i can’t say she did much better in the solids department either as she would only take stage 2 cereals mixed with bananas, pears, peaches or raisins, or an occasional sweet potato puree. and more often than not, she had to watch videos in order to eat, and even then she would often gag and barf if i fed her one too many spoon fuls. she was not eating chewables at all until she was closer to a year, yet somehow she stayed in the 50th percentile for weight.
i was really depressed. i felt like my whole life revolved around eating. the irony is none of us were getting any thinner around here! as far as i knew, her reflux had resolved a couple of months after we introduced hypoallergenic formula, yet the residual eating issues remained. we started feeding therapy which i don’t think was so great except to force us to make some tough choices and not keeping doing something because it “worked.” so versus the response that you are accustomed to hearing, like there can’t really be a problem if hailey’s weight hasn’t dropped, in feeding therapy, the issue wasn’t weight or rationale for not eating, it was just addressing the issues of how to better structure the day in order to move things along developmentally and nutritionally. we clearly weren’t figuring this out on our own.
i found the feeding therapist extremely condescending. like she gave us “tough love,” when we were coming to her for help. very weird. anyhow, hannah eventually transitioned off of baby food by about 15 months. she still would shudder and gag often when trying new foods. i also made an arrangement with my husband to get out of the house while she ate supper, to give me a breather from it all.
i wish i could give you some more concrete advise, but it sounds like hailey and hannah had a lot in common. i am afraid to see this in black and white, but i really fear that all of this tension affected our connection with each other. hannah had seen me lose my sh#t so many times as i mopped up peach, banana, oatmeal barf, i honestly didn’t know how i would ever see the end of it. she’s still a really weird eater, but when she feels well, she requests her favorites and tries new things. just take heart, i feel like we went down a really long stressful road with this…and i never expected something so basic as eating to be so difficult.
April 5, 2006 at 11:53 am #5431AnonymousInactiveThais, good news overall that the ped thinks Matthew looks good even without the tube. Does that mean that you’re not going to put it back in?
Becky, thank you so much for your reply. I really have been feeling so scared the past few days after she’s cut down the feeds again. It’s awful. I just needed to hear from someone who’s been in our shoes. Lately I’ve been feeling that many people who had little refluxers are coming and going from these boards, and it’s great to see their babies improve, but also reminds me just how bad Hailey’s reflux still is and what an awful situation we’re in because of the lack of eating. That’s really worse than the reflux in my opinion. I often feel bad as well when I swear about the situation or get mad about it in Hailey’s presence, and I too worry if this will affect the way she feels about me. But then my husband brings her down the stairs after his alone time with her after dinner, and she starts kicking and smiling when she sees my face, and reaches her arms out toward me. So I know I must be okay in her books afterall. I’m glad to hear that Hannah is now just a “wierd” eater- I’ll take that! At least she’s an eater and that offers me some kind of hope. If it means anything to you at all, my older daughter was a somewhat picky but normal eater during her first year, and then a fabulous eater during her second year. She’s just a few months older than Hannah (sept 25. 03) and she is now the fussiest eater I’ve ever seen- basically all she wants to eat is snacks, junk, chicken nuggets or kraft dinner. I think it’s typical toddler stuff!… but not exactly good role modeling for Hailey.
April 5, 2006 at 4:58 pm #5437AnonymousInactiveLori — no, we are going to leave it out for a week… see how he reacts, what he wants to eat, what he refuses etc. Unfortunately, the ped thinks that we will have the tube for longer now — we have been giving Matthew more than 1000 calories (Probably 1100 or sometimes more) and he is still not putting on much weight — not because he has any problem with food, but because he is SO active that he burns everything. He sleeps little, and is usually restless and he is on his feet probably 8 hours a day or more — will not sit, will not let you hold him, will not be in his chair — just walking and running everywhere shouting like a little crazy man!!! And he is nowhere to take that many calories on his own.
That and the fact that he takes no milk or diary right now is a concern. Babies need diary, according to my ped he would be happy wiht about 12 ounces a day, but Matthew takes very little although we are working on it. He said babies with feeding issues that do not take any diary will stay with the tube longer (last time when we went to him, he was taking about 3 yoguts a day, so he was thinking we may soon overcome this).
Hopefully you will find an answer for Hailey soon — feeding times are stressing. Even these days, when Matthew is without the tube, i am stressing even though i know it is coming back. He had the best day ever on sunday, right after he took the tube out. AMAZING and i was so relaxed… and then all downhill!! But hey, we have to try to take the tube away from time to time.
Good thing is…he wakes up in the middle of the night hungry!! So there is some hunger in there or at least thirst… he only takes 2 ounces, but it is a start!
April 5, 2006 at 6:39 pm #5446AnonymousInactiveLori,
I fully understand your frustration with things being so bad after 10 long months. I have some questions, and you may have already investigated each of these, but these are my thoughts before letting you know about how we have done without surgery…
Is she failure to thrive? How small is she on the growth charts right now?
Regarding meds, can you up her ppi dose?
Have you tried Zegerid, or any other ppi meds to see if one gives you a better reaction than others?
Has she had an endoscopy and ph probe study performed? THe tests would tell you about esophagitis and how badly she has it if she has it, could possibly show a hiatal hernia, could possibly show eos cells–which could mean she is reacting to your bmilk no matter what you eat….etc. etc. The ph probe would show how many times she’s refluxing and the percentage of time she spends actively refluxing. Lucas didn’t have these tests until he was 10 mos old and I was going crazy….sounding much like you.
You might start thinking about hiatal hernias, which would hopefully show up in an endoscopy (but they don’t always show up in the endo). Christine, kevieb on these forums, had a daughter who was FTT, and had a hiatal hernia and had surgery at 10 mos to repair the hernia. Her reflux was completely “cured” from that point on, and I believe she wasn’t FTT for too much longer after the fundo fixed her reflux problems.
Have you had her ears checked by a ped or ENT doc to rule out the ears as being an additional issue pain wise?
I ask this to everyone, and i know I’ve asked you this other times, have you ever removed dairy, soy or other foods to see if she improves? Getting to the end of the rope is what gave me the courage to try the food removals, I never would have tried them if I haden’t become miserable “enough” to finally want to try anything if it would work.
Have you considered a Neocate trial?
We went from being referred out to a pediatric surgeon when he was 10 mos, with 100 plus spit ups a day, night wakings at their peak were every 45 minutes (waking screaming). By 13 mos we were averaging six wakings a night, and by 18 mos with the removal of gluten, we’re more like three or four, but I will cautiously say things are looking better than ever before.
Our ped gi was CERTAIN that Lucas was a good candidate for fundoplication surgery–and told us this at several different visits based on Lucas’ testing results/numbers. I would say that although we are not a success story yet, we are on the way to being a success in the sense that the horrible situation that was happening is beginning to right itself without surgery. It’s been a long road to this point, but looking back I could honestly say that I did not push for testing soon enough and I did not take the food allergy/food intolerances possibility seriously enough. I should have tried food removals sooner, and it would have helped a lot of our problems. I also never did a neocate trial, and that may have helped us, too. HTH.
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