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April 30, 2008 at 9:19 pm #51010AnonymousInactive
Hi Everyone.
I just got done reading Paula B’s update on Baron with his milk allergy and now more than ever I really want to do allergy testing on Cooper. I guess b/c I don’t know what kind to ask for or how accurate they are I am coming to you ladies for help. He has a horrible time with Chicken I think… I don’t know if it is in my head or not so I want to check for that. His cousin has a severe peanut allergy so I want to test for that and he has a constant runny nose (he does have bad seasonal allergies we do know this) so now I am concerned about a possible milk allergy so I would like to test for that in addition to eggs (I haven’t given these b/c of his reaction to chicken) and I guess in order to not put him through any more pain than necessary I want to know the best options when we go to the doc. Her children have food allergies and she is very willing to send us for testing, but I want to be the best prepared I can if we go this route. TIA.
April 30, 2008 at 10:02 pm #51012AnonymousInactiveI am sure that others will chime in, but I think the skin prick might be a lot more accurate than the RAST blood testing. I’ve heard recently from this board that RAST is very inaccurate with false pos and neg. I am kind of upset I put Landen through the blood draw. His reactions to foods DO seem to be more “intolerances” than allergies. But when he tried whole milk and soy milk, he got an excema type rash around his mouth and waistline. I am baffled b/c I think he is allergic to some things and I won’t have a good answer until we get skin prick. I have a referral into an allergist for him and am waiting for them to call. SOO, all that being said, I would see an allergist that can do skin prick, but that is just from my experience. I am sure others will chime in! Good luck!
May 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm #51020AnonymousInactiveWe had Taylor allergy tested at 5 months, we did the skin prick test. They actually have a infant/child panel of typical things food and enviromental that they use. But if there is something out of the normal you can ask about it, in our situation we had her tested for corn syrup inaddition to the typical corn. She was so young that we did the skin and if she reacted to it we would avoid it. The allergist saw her again at 1 year and told us to give her small amounts of the things she tested positive for in our case corn, corn syrup, and milk since he believed that the actual reaction is the best test versus the blood or skin test, we only did this since her reactions previously were not extremely servere to cause harm. He said if the reactions were really bad he would do the blood RAST test on her. She fortunately is no longer allergic to anything but she does have typical environmental allergies so she is on Zyrtec 1tsp QD since she has been a baby.
May 1, 2008 at 3:13 pm #51023AnonymousInactiveHi Beth,
I am still learning a lot about food allergies, so hopefully more experienced moms will keep chiming in, but I forgot to mention in my post about Baron that we did the skin testing only. That’s just what our allergist recommended, not sure why? But if it had come back negative on milk, I was going to ask for blood testing or whatever else is available to do a thorough check, since I knew he had definite reactions to dairy.Good luck with Cooper — I hope you can find out more soon.May 1, 2008 at 6:13 pm #51028AnonymousInactiveSo I guess then we should probably do the skin prick test. How bad is that for them? And do you have to go to an allergist to do this? I think that probably is a stupid question but just asking in case. I know the allergist in my town isn’t very well liked… so we may have to go somewhere else.
May 1, 2008 at 7:16 pm #51031AnonymousInactiveTaylor was so young so it is hard to tell. She was more upset that we were holding her down to get the panels to be placed which was really fast but never fast enough! When I say panels I really do mean panels, they had them pre-diped and just pressed it onto her back, 2 strips of them 1 for food and 1 for enviromental. He had to dip 1 extra skin prick for the corn syrup. We just had to wait around a little while 12-20mins to see how her skin reacted to it. My husband had the skin test as well a long time ago, but for him they actually pricked him 30 individual times vs just a entire panel. I guess they do it for kids since they know they will not be patient to sit and wait for each individual skin prick! Anyways, DH said it did not hurt him, they felt like mosquito bites but it was uncomfortable afterwards since they really itched. I think after we had Taylor’s done and read the Allergiest gave her a dose of Zyrtec in the office for the car ride home. I think some ENTS actually do skin testing as well if they think allergies is what causing the problems. Alexis’s mom2008-05-01 19:19:19
May 4, 2008 at 2:00 pm #51076AnonymousInactiveWith both girls we did the RAST blood test first. Both our ped and allergist said that they like to start there before the skin prick. From everything that I’ve read, the RAST doesn’t tend to have false positives, but will have false negatives. So they start with the RAST so they can avoid unnecessary skin pricks. In our case, the blood draw was much less traumatic than the skin test. With Kaelyn they only blood tested for the big 8 allergens. With Alex he did a complete food work up. We went to a place that specialized in drawing blood on infants and Alex didn’t even seem to notice what was going on.
We did the skin prick on both girls in the 12 to 16 month range and it was not fun. Unlike Sue’s doctor, our allergist does each prick individually. Alex was tested for 29 things, so that was 29 different individual pricks. It’s not that uncomfortable, but it’s hard to get a toddler to sit still for that long.So, based on our experience, I would do blood testing first then follow up with skin testing.May 4, 2008 at 3:09 pm #51081AnonymousInactiveSkin testing (and RAST testing) shows the body’s IgE immune response, which is an immediate reaction within the body. The most common symptoms of IgE allergies include rash, hives, swelling of mouth/face/throat, anaphylaxis, etc. Skin testing is supposed to be very accurate in testing for IgE mediated allergic responses. RAST isn’t quite as accurate, from what I’ve heard.However, there is a lot of emerging evidence and new research showing that the body can also have IgG immune reactions to foods. This is still controversial, and not widely accepted by allergists. IgG immune reactions (some call these allergies, some call them intolerances) are delayed, and are therefore hard to determine. They can take hours to days to show up. This means your child could be having runny nose, irritability, sleep problems, etc. today, but that could be due to a food that they ate today, yesterday, or the day before. Very common IgG reactions to milk (usually to the proteins casein or whey) include runny nose, chronic ear infections, dark circles under the eyes (a.k.a. allergic shiners), eczema, changes in bowel movements (usually to either extreme: loose stools – about 75% of kids, or constipation – about 25% of kids), and sleep problems (difficulty falling asleep, or night waking). Kids can also be overall irritable, cranky, oppositional, etc.For anyone suspecting milk problems and traditional skin prick testing (or RAST testing) doesn’t show anything, it is best to do a 6 week completely milk free trial, then do a milk challenge to see if symptoms show up. If you do this, you would have to be 100% milk free – no hidden dairy in breads, crackers, baked goods, margarine, sauces, soups, salad dressing, chocolate, etc. and obviously no milk, cheese, ice cream, etc. There are lots of great milk substitutes you could use during this period, but I would avoid all animal milk, including goat’s milk since it contains casein as well. After 6 weeks of going dairy free, you would then reintroduce some milk products and watch for a reaction. Remember, the reaction could take a few days to show up. This is traditionally the best indicator of intolerances.However, there are labs that perform IgG allergy testing (sometimes called ELISA testing), but this would likely be an out of pocket expense, since this type of allergy is not yet widely recognized and accepted by the majority of the medical community. There are only a few labs in north america that do this type of testing, so you would likely have to have a local doctor order the test, have a local lab draw the blood (it’s only 1 vial) then have the serum shipped to the lab doing the testing. The one drawback to IgG testing, is that the IgG antibodies will only be present if the person is currently eating the food in their diet. So if someone is 100% milk free, for example, the IgG response to milk would likely be negligible or nonexistant. I would really only recommend IgG testing if the child has serious behavioural and sleep issues (for example kids with diagnosed or suspected autistic spectrum disorders, ADHD, severe sensory integration disorders, etc.). If this isn’t the case, then a food challenge is usually the easiest and best determinant of food intolerances likely due to the IgG immune response.We had Ben’s IgG testing done through the Great Plains Laboratory in Lenexa, KS. He showed no reaction for milk, soy, wheat, egg, etc. via skin testing (IgE) but significant reaction those and other foods on IgG testing. Since removing these foods, and others that showed a moderate to high reaction on the IgG testing, we have seen a world of difference in him – especially in his behaviour and sensory integration issues! I can’t even begin to describe it! He is a much happier boy – not constantly irritable, no more daily tantrums, etc. Even my MIL mentioned what a difference she saw in him (and we all know what a huge thing it is to hear a positive comment like that from a MIL!).Sorry for the long-winded response! I’ve literally spent the last 6 months studying this topic day and night while trying to get Ben back on the road to health, so I guess I’ve got a lot to say!May 4, 2008 at 8:43 pm #51096AnonymousInactiveSheri, you Rock!!! Cooper’s runny nose hasn’t been as bad lately but I still just don’t know. I do know that we will have to do allergy testing for environmental things soon as I think he may be allergic to the new puppy and of course I want to check on the whole chicken/egg thing so I will def do the skin prick first and I will see if maybe we can do it somewhere else so that the appointment doesn’t take 5hrs like it did for my friend. I’ll keep you all posted on what happens. Nothing will happen before June I am sure, our ped appointment isn’t until the 19th for his check up and that is when I am going to talk to our ped. Luckily her youngest has food allergies so she will be very understanding.
May 4, 2008 at 8:56 pm #51098AnonymousInactiveSheri,
thanks so much for that info, you are really knowledgeable in all of this! when you had the IgG testing done with Ben at the Great Plains Lab in KS, did you have a local person take blood and send it off to them? Just wondering what protocol is. I might be interested in this with both kids, particularly Kaden who has SPD. I’d love to do it for both boys. I am sure it will be a whopping out of pocket expense but worth it to know exactly what is going on.May 4, 2008 at 10:54 pm #51110AnonymousInactiveJill,
To have the IgG test performed by Great Plains, you order the test kit from the lab which is free, you just pay the shipping to have it sent to you. It includes all of the information about the procedure, the collection vial, and and packaging and forms needed to send it back to them. You need to have a doctor officially order the test if you live in the US (but not here in Canada). If your family doc or pediatrician is uncooperative or unwilling, they have a list of doctors who they have worked with all over the country and might be able to suggest one near you. Then a local lab (ie. a lab near you) draws the blood into the vial they provide, seperate the serum, and ships it back to them in the packaging provided (you pay the shipping). You have to have all the forms etc. filled out so that the lab can send the sample – you cannot bring the blood serum home and ship it yourself, they are pretty specific about that. They then charge you when they run the test (I believe it was around $200), and mail you and the ordering doctor the test results. They test for 96 different foods, including casein, whey and gluten and give you a level of reactivity for each food so you know exactly how mild, moderate or high the reaction is.It’s important to keep in mind that they have to have the food in their system currently in order for IgG antibodies to be present. For example, since our son Ben has been gluten free for the past 5 months, if he were to be tested now, his IgG antibodies to gluten would be gone, and no reaction should show up. This is very unlike IgE antibodies, that remain in the system for a very long time (sometimes lifelong) despite the absense of the allergen from the system.On another note, I’m so happy to say that Ben’s SPD is practically gone. For him, it took removing all of the foods he was reacting to AND treating him for severe GI yeast overgrowth (that I didn’t even know he had). After we did BOTH of these things, we saw a complete 180 in his food sensory issues. Just a few months ago, the mere suggestion of him eating a food that he wasn’t comfortable with would cause a MAJOR meltdown, complete with hysterical crying/screaming, tantrums, throwing himself on the floor, nearly vomiting, etc. Just the thought of it was so horrifying and repulsive to him. He had literally self-limited himself to only grains and dairy (the two foods we now know he has the strongest reaction to). You are probably very familiar with this situation, from what I’ve read of your posts. Now I’m thrilled to say that he eats like a “regular” kid!! He is eating vegetables, fruits, meatloaf, chili, stew, sausage, you name it! And this same boy had a literal meltdown over a kernel of corn just a few months previous.May 5, 2008 at 10:03 am #51121AnonymousInactiveSheri thanks SOO much for this info! You give me hope with Kaden! When you described Ben with food sensory issues, you’ve described my 3 year old. I am going to talk to DH and our pedi about this. Would be worth EVERY penny to know what he’s reacting too. Similarly too, Kaden has self limited to only dry (bread) things, yogurt (only dairy he can eat without getting sick) and soy milk.
May 5, 2008 at 9:59 pm #51152AnonymousInactiveSherri,
Do you remember where you ordered the kit? Taylor had her IgG draw when she was a little over a year old since she kept on getting sick all the time despite having tubes and being on an antibotic, she would have a double ear infection and was on Suprax and 3 days later come down with strep on top of the ear infection not getting better. Anyways, her IgG was through the roof, so we know she is allergic to something still but we don’t know what it is. She has been eating all foods fine, so we can’t tell. I would really be interested in the IgG numbers for each individual foods, since she does have Sensory Processing Disorder and very Speech delayed, maybe this could help solve some of our issues!
May 6, 2008 at 12:44 am #51153AnonymousInactiveWe had Ben’s comprehensive food IgG panel done through the Great Plains laboratory. Here is the test list on their website: http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/testlist.html It was the “Food Allergy Comprehensive IgG”. You can phone them toll free to order: 1-800-288-0383 or I believe you can order test kits online.
It’s amazing how many of our sensitive little GERDlings (or former GERDlings) have sensory issues. A lot of recent research is linking sensory, behavioural and developmental issues to gut problems and allergies/immune dysfunction. Perhaps I’ll post a topic sometime soon (when I’ve got spare time – haha) with much of the information I’ve gathered, and the steps we’ve taken with Ben and the gains he’s made.May 6, 2008 at 9:36 pm #51169AnonymousInactiveThank you so much! I’m definitely going to look into it! I would really like some answers to what’s going on with ‘Lil Miss Tay Tay!
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